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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_October_16


October 16

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:Urdu-language women writers

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between language, gender, and occupation, per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 13:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on NL's objection?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that's the not question. The intersection is gender with language and occupation. I don't think this meets the criteria for EGRS, and there are no other categories at this intersection. @Nederlandse Leeuw do you have evidence to the contrary that Urdu-language women writers meet the criteria at the intersection? Aka is the "combination [] itself recognized as a defining topic that has already been established (in reliable sources showing substantial existing research specific to the topic), as academically or culturally significant in its own right"? Mason (talk) 02:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About 49.300 results for "women urdu writers" in Google Scholar. Just to highlight a few:
  • The Role of Female Writers in the Promotion of Popular Literature in Urdu.
  • Women Reading/Women Writing: Anxiety and Āzādī in Twentieth Century Urdu Pulp Fiction
  • Female Voices: Women Writers in Hyderabad at the Beginning of the Twentieth Century: there has been a whole movement of female writers in Urdu, both of poetry and of prose
  • Images of Women in Urdu Novels Written by Muslim Women: An Analysis from A Feminist Perspective
  • Articulation, agency and embodiment in contemporary Pakistani Urdu poetry by women
  • Urdu women's magazines in the early twentieth century
  • Urban Women Rebels: Voices of Dissent in Urdu Popular Fiction
  • Feminine or Patriarchal: Story of Adam and Eve in Urdu Novels by Women Writers
Etc.
Also plenty of Google Books, e.g.
  • The Language They Chose: Women's Writing in Urdu Vol I: Fiction
  • The Language They Chose: Women's Writing in Urdu Vol II: Non-Fiction
  • Women's Writings from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh: The Worlds of Bangla and Urdu
  • Parwaaz: A Selection of Urdu Short Stories by Women
  • Portrayals of Women in Pakistan: An Analysis of Fahmīdah Riyāẓ’s Urdu Poetry
Etc.
So yes @Smasongarrison, I think I might have some evidence. Arguably, it's high time that this topic received its own stand-alone article. NLeeuw (talk) 05:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on NL's response?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator's rationale: The current title may be misleading implying that all those people died due to LGBTQ issues. Some of them, however, committed suicide for other reasons, such as Alexander McQueen. Proposed title would also be consistent with the Foo who died by suicide scheme: Category:College students who died by suicide‎, Category:People who died by suicide in prison custody‎, etc. Brandmeistertalk 08:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am not seeing objection to the rename, regardless of if it represents a change in the category's scope or not. In other words: If you object to the new name (and the potential new scope), please speak up :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defunct airlines of Guadeloupe

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Nominator's rationale: Category contains a single page, unhelpful for navigation. Propose merge to Category:Defunct airlines of France and Category:Defunct airlines of the Caribbean. AusLondonder (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Category:Defunct airlines of Réunion lower down on the page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Louisville Black Caps

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Nominator's rationale: Only one category layer. Both are basically the same team but changed their names. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The normal CFD jargon for "combine" is "merge". Is merging an acceptable alternative?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's question?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns

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Nominator's rationale: Category name seems self-contradictory or even oxymoronic, and inherently implies a cause. Shootdowns are typically intentional acts and not accidents; in the rare occurrences in which aircraft have been shot down under circumstances that may be truly accidental, considerable controversy typically exists, and blanket categorization implying a cause could be a violation of WP:NPOV. Proposed category name is less subjective. Carguychris (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose rename. This is inconsistent with the rest of the category tree. Mason (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This CFD and the aforementioned "missile shootdown" category effectively created a branch of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents that duplicates Category:Aircraft shootdown incidents. These incidents only need to be listed in one category tree, and the "shootdown incidents" tree existed first; these new "shootdowns" branches of the "accidents and incidents" tree are redundant and should be deleted. Pardon my failure to mention that in the initial proposal. Carguychris (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by missile shootdowns

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Nominator's rationale: Category name seems self-contradictory or even oxymoronic, and inherently implies a cause. Shootdowns are typically intentional acts and not accidents; in the rare occurrences in which aircraft have been shot down under circumstances that may be truly accidental, considerable controversy typically exists, and blanket categorization implying a cause could be a violation of WP:NPOV. Carguychris (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "accidents and incidents " includes non-accidents. Please suggest an alternative name if you dislike it. Mason (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Aircraft shootdown incidents already exists, so this branch of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents seems redundant. Suggest Category:Aircraft shootdown incidents involving surface-to-air missiles. (It is unclear whether the creator of this subcategory intended to restrict it to SAM shootdowns, but the only article currently in the category is a SAM shootdown, and I would argue that in air-to-air or fighter shootdowns, the weapon used is non-defining.) Carguychris (talk) 21:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Airliner bombings in the United States

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Nominator's rationale: Violates WP:OCLOCATION and WP:NARROWCAT; the absolute number of airliner bombings is too small to warrant subdividing, it's unlikely to grow substantially in the future, and the country where a bombing took place is not a central defining characteristic. OCLOCATION dictates that countries of occurrence may be useful for dividing up huge and unwieldy categories, but this isn't one of them, and is unlikely to ever be. Carguychris (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep Nomination does not consider the effect of this deletion on Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in the United States where this will result in declining navigation abilities to get to quickly see those articles about IEDs involving aircraft in the United States. Hmains (talk) 19:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I considered that. There are only about twenty listings in that category. Adding nine more should not make the category unwieldy, and since the articles are all named "<airline name> <flight number>", it's obvious which ones are airliner bombings. Carguychris (talk) 19:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Hmains's most recent comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See above relisting comment. Thoughts on Hmains's latest comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defunct airlines of Réunion

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Nominator's rationale: Category contains a single page, unhelpful for navigation. Propose merge to Category:Defunct airlines of France. AusLondonder (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Defunct airlines of Mauritius (1P) and other underpopulated child cats of Category:Defunct airlines of Africa like Eritrea, South Sudan and Somalia.
Category:Defunct airlines of Europe: Faroe Islands‎ (1 P); Guernsey‎ (1 P); Belarus‎ (2 P); Montenegro‎ (1 P)
Category:Defunct airlines of Asia by country: East Timor‎ (2 P); Kuwait‎ (2 P); Mongolia‎ (2 P); Oman‎ (1 P); Syria‎ (1 P)

NLeeuw (talk) 06:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Defunct airlines of Overseas France and Category:Defunct companies of Overseas France. Triple merge and delete these two categories, as suggested by FL?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Wild Thornberrys films

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Nominator's rationale: Only contains two articles. Fails WP:NARROWCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Crigglestone

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Bounds Green

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Bamber Bridge

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Anderton, Lancashire

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Polgooth

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Manaccan

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Yugoslavia

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Nominator's rationale: Because Yugoslavia is a historical topic as such, this title is redundant, all this should simply be upmerged into the parent category, there's no apparent benefit in having the readers do an extra click. Joy (talk) 06:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NB: if there's actual historiography topics that should be categorized, we should make a Category:Historiography of Yugoslavia for that. --Joy (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree The "History of Yugoslavia" category is one of about 20 country categories in Category:History of Europe by former country and there are more “Histories of former countries in the “other continent” countries. Hence it should not be deleted or upmerged. Hugo999 (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean look at the content of the category, it's a handful of vaguely appropriate articles and subcategories, the core historical content is meager. None of this would do worse if it was directly in Category:Yugoslavia, and would save a click for whoever is browsing the category tree
    Other examples may or may not be similar: for example, the Soviet Union's category has at least some historiographical stuff under it, and in turn a main space article History of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, History of Yugoslavia was upmerged into Yugoslavia fifteen years ago and it's doubtful there's a need to split it out as a whole (individual periods already have separate articles).
    Surely the point of the category tree isn't just nice and orderly existence, rather it's to get people reading more of the encyclopedia. I don't quite see how this would be helping that, it seems more like a small obstacle. --Joy (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, not all former countries have a history category so we should check this case by case. In this case, after applying WP:SUBCAT, the parent category will contain only two subcategories and two articles more than before the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles on pre-1900 earthquakes

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Nominator's rationale: No longer used in Template:Infobox earthquake and was added in 2018 at Talk:List_of_historical_earthquakes#Proposal_to_redefine_as_"before_1900"_(not_1901) and was removed from the template in 2019. See more discussion. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines

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Nominator's rationale: WP:NEOLOGISM, Second Ladies are not a thing in Philippine politics. We are not like the United States which uses such term. Second Ladies/Gentlemen at best are just a synonym for the Vice President's spouse, unlike the First Lady/Gentlemen who actually serves a role for being the host at the Malacanang Palace and is distinct from the Spouse of the President of the Philippines Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early abbots by century

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Nominator's rationale: the earliest non-Christian (Buddhist) abbot that we have an article about is Yishan Yining who lived in the 13th century. These categories don't contribute to navigation until we have articles about earlier Buddhist abbots. All Irish abbots of this period were Christian abbots and can be added as subcategories thereof. It would be naieve to state that these Irish abbots do not belong in Christian abbots just because the Irish category name does not specify "Christian". Wikipedia should reflect the real world and not get stuck too much in its internal organization. The real world is that there weren't Buddhist abbots in medieval Ireland, they were all Christian. This nomination is of course without objection to recreation once we have articles about earlier Buddhist abbots. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. > It would be naieve to state that these Irish abbots do not belong in Christian abbots just because the Irish category name does not specify "Christian".
I never said that the individuals in the page don't belong in the Christian abbots category. I said that you shouldn't be conflating nationality and religion at the category level. Three things: I don't see why you're suggesting deletion, instead of merging. This deletion is going to break the abbot by nationality template. This seems premature, given that I asked you about this on your talk page. Mason (talk) 21:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge, as suggested by NL?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Apart from Byzantine abbots there isn't anything specifically medieval about abbots. Should we then also create a separate category for medieval Christian abbots, and for medieval Irish abbots? I don't think so, the century categories seem to suffice. Having said that, I have not nominated Category:Medieval abbots and it's probably too late to add this now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Society of Ukrainian Progressors members

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Nominator's rationale: Emptied: no refs. No such society. Mistranslation? --Altenmann >talk 21:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Dmytro Doroshenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist 

      		13:16  Smasongarrison talk contribs (Mykhailo Hrushevsky added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
      		13:16  Smasongarrison talk contribs (Mykola Vasylenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
      		13:16  Smasongarrison talk contribs (Symon Petliura added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
      		13:16  Smasongarrison talk contribs (Serhiy Yefremov added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
      		13:16  Smasongarrison talk contribs (Volodymyr Vynnychenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now that the premature emptying issue is resolved, do people support a merge to Category:Ukrainian Democratic Party (1904) politicians (as suggested by Mason)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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